Monday, May 2, 2011

PF - 1977-07-06 - Montreal All Is Forgiven


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Dr. Forrester said...

Pink Floyd - 1977 07-06 Montreal All Is Forgiven (Stereo Version) 6 Source Mix

Brand new mix, never heard before August 22, 2008 (Except by me and a few friends, he-he)

Yes, this is the "Spitting Incident" where Roger spits on a fan after calling him to the stage in a "demonic" voice
Yes, the spitting incident (allegedly) propelled the group to write "The Wall" to isolate the band from the fans
Yes, there are 6 sources synchronized. 3 from "Recorder 1" and 3 from "Recorder 2"
Yes, The Last Animalized is most definitely, 100% sure, no doubt about it, Recorder 1
No, there was not any noise reduction or any EQing done

Audio Used:
Recorder 1
The Last Animalized (YEESHKUL, flac)
Azimuth Coordinator (DIME, shn)
Fire Works Show In The Canadian Walls (YEESHKUL, flac)

Recorder 2
Who Was Trained Not To Spit On The Fan (YEESHKUL, flac)
Montreal 1977 (DIME, flac)
Roar Ends (DIME, flac)

Lineage:
Download 6 versions in either .shn or .flac > Goldwave (Make each version a single .wav file) > Adobe Audition synchronize (time expand, time compress, and/or split and move), then mixdown all 6 files to one file > Goldwave (split files with .cue sheet) > DBPowerAmp convert to .flac (level 8) > You

By calling this the "Stereo Version", it means there is a "DTS" version available. This version never went thru any steps to make it lossy.

None of the 6 versions were the same speed as each other. They all fluctuated and had an ever-changing speed rhythm of their own, which did not stay the least bit constant throughout the files. I chose the "Harvested" version as the correct speed version, so the other 5 had to match the speed of "Who Was Trained Not To Spit On The Fan". The other 5 versions would individually speed up for a minute, slow down for 8, speed up for 3, slow down for 45 seconds and so on, making it almost impossible to synchronize. In some areas, the files were off by 6 or 7 percent, more than a full second in 20 seconds. They all had either some missing parts or some additional parts making each version either longer or shorter that the others, a whole different problem than just speed correction. Finding those parts was an adventure, it added to the level of difficulty for sure. What looked like might take a time compression of 8 seconds in 5 minutes, really needed 10 seconds cut out to match the others and then a 2 second time expansion.

For every minute of the show, each version took me approximately 15 minutes to synchronize. 6 versions times 15 minutes = 1 1/2 hours, times 146 minutes for the concert = about 220 hours to complete. If I had known it would take that long I never would have done it, but after I started I couldn't stop.

On various sites, a few different people said they were going to do a mix after they finished downloading that particular version. I would love to hear from anyone that started doing a mix, what you encountered, how far you got, etc. Maybe just to confirm that it was "almost" impossible to synchronize.



Disc 1 75:41
1. Sheep 11:00
2. Pigs On The Wing Pt 1 2:03
3. Dogs 17:30
4. Angry Pigs On The Wing Pt 2 3:51
5. Pigs (3 Different Ones) 19:30
6. Shine On You Crazy Diamond Pts 1-5 13:37
7. Welcome To The Machine 8:10


Disc 2 71:10
1. Have A Cigar 5:30
2. Wish You Were Here 6:30
3. Shine On You Crazy Diamond Pts 6-9 23:36
4. Money 13:30
5. Us And Them 9:39
6. Drift Away Blues 12:25

Total Time 146:51 (2:26:51)

May 2, 2011 at 3:24 AM
mahavishnu floyd said...

Reading about all the problems encountered in a futile attempt to synchronize the different versions to create a matrix recording helps to illustrate why matrix recordings don't work well. It's a mess. The different sources can't be truly synchronized, only merely approximated. While the blending smooths out the rough spots and adds reverb, it also eliminates liveliness, detail and ambience. It's not stereo, it's a simulation created in part by the phasing that results from slightly out-of-sync channels. It's fake. If that's how you like to listen, this is your ticket. Enjoy.

The version regarded as far and away the best sound quality by most who have heard it was kindly shared here long ago by Dr. Forrester and, quite fortunately for those of you who want to listen to the best, the Rapidshare links are still alive.

http://just-add-cones.blogspot.com/2009/10/pf-1977-07-06-montreal-rec2-master.html

May 2, 2011 at 1:26 PM
Dr. Forrester said...

Yeah, MF, I absolutely agree. I tried listening to this matrix, but couldn't stand it after about half of the first song.

I uploaded it just because I hadn't ever previously done so.

May 2, 2011 at 3:14 PM
Anonymous said...

Thank you Mahavishnu Floyd, your comments regarding quality of the different versions are very helpful.
Regards
Thomas

May 3, 2011 at 8:33 AM
Jason said...

So...I can't pick out the so-called "demonic" voice, but I have to guess that Roger is "calling" the dude toward the end of Pigs (3DO). There is a whistling noise, something that sounds like "come on son, just a few more yards, yeah" and one of Roger's strange noises. Other things he says are harder to interpret. Any tips?

And, the number Roger shouts seems to be "1961"...or, perhaps 19, 60, and 1....and then later, 1 and 8, and "come back" (sounds like). Any interpretations?

May 3, 2011 at 11:01 AM

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